Fred: This is a good read. ++++ Love the phrase: "social democratic centralism" ++++ And love the "honesty" --- for want of a better word --- of how you have approached this "excruciating tragedy" for ALL of us. Been some tough choices. ++++ You have made a good critique of Corbynism that we all need to deepen. +++ If there is one thing the YP tops hate it is the YP grass roots getting organised ... and that's what you Scots have been doing. No surprise "mere" branches in England and Wales also been treated so badly. +++ Cheers Alan
There's no point in making another pro independence Scottish party, as there already exists the Scottish Socialist Party (SSP), the non-electoral remnants of the Radical Independence Campaign (RIC), the husk of Your Party Scotland (if it manages to reform itself and actually exist by next year) and the murmurings of a new pro independence socialist party led by the previous YPS Committee members.
It's absolute lunacy to create yet another party when perfeftly good alternatives exist.
We don't need 2 (or potentially 3!) Pro independence Scottish electoral vehicles accompanied by a couple Campaign groups.
The new party I'm talking about *is* the new pro-independence socialist party led by previous YPS Committee members (which I am one of), so no I'm not suggesting a 3rd. The YPS remnant is, frankly, dead as a doornail.
As to the SSP - just in terms of proto-branches and individual members who have expressed to us that they will join this new party, our activist base already exceeds that of the SSP, so it would make little sense to join an existing party and be bound by all their existing decisions and baggage when we're going to be in a position to organise much more effectively across the whole of Scotland than they are.
Your party also started off with 800k signs of interest, started with 60k members and is down to less than 40k within 8 months.
Anecdotally having more members for a proposed party isn't the same as having an actual membership.
And YPS looks dead, but that doesn't mean it's dead yet. Its only existed for 3 months, so who knows what could happen? It could dissolve tommorow, it could wither and die over the next year, it could struggle on until 2030.
Fred: This is a good read. ++++ Love the phrase: "social democratic centralism" ++++ And love the "honesty" --- for want of a better word --- of how you have approached this "excruciating tragedy" for ALL of us. Been some tough choices. ++++ You have made a good critique of Corbynism that we all need to deepen. +++ If there is one thing the YP tops hate it is the YP grass roots getting organised ... and that's what you Scots have been doing. No surprise "mere" branches in England and Wales also been treated so badly. +++ Cheers Alan
Thanks Alan, solidarity! I hope dejected grassroots comrades down south manage to salvage something worthwhile from this mess as well.
Thanks for sending Fred. Will read in the a.m Alan
There's no point in making another pro independence Scottish party, as there already exists the Scottish Socialist Party (SSP), the non-electoral remnants of the Radical Independence Campaign (RIC), the husk of Your Party Scotland (if it manages to reform itself and actually exist by next year) and the murmurings of a new pro independence socialist party led by the previous YPS Committee members.
It's absolute lunacy to create yet another party when perfeftly good alternatives exist.
We don't need 2 (or potentially 3!) Pro independence Scottish electoral vehicles accompanied by a couple Campaign groups.
The new party I'm talking about *is* the new pro-independence socialist party led by previous YPS Committee members (which I am one of), so no I'm not suggesting a 3rd. The YPS remnant is, frankly, dead as a doornail.
As to the SSP - just in terms of proto-branches and individual members who have expressed to us that they will join this new party, our activist base already exceeds that of the SSP, so it would make little sense to join an existing party and be bound by all their existing decisions and baggage when we're going to be in a position to organise much more effectively across the whole of Scotland than they are.
Your party also started off with 800k signs of interest, started with 60k members and is down to less than 40k within 8 months.
Anecdotally having more members for a proposed party isn't the same as having an actual membership.
And YPS looks dead, but that doesn't mean it's dead yet. Its only existed for 3 months, so who knows what could happen? It could dissolve tommorow, it could wither and die over the next year, it could struggle on until 2030.